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Sketchy Bob
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Posted - 2014.08.19 16:12:00 -
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Am I the only one getting annoyed that the only times CSM members or DEV's post is to pat each others backs and tell the world how awesome the other team is?
How about some actual information or response to the legitimate critic in this thread? |
Sketchy Bob
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Posted - 2014.08.19 16:39:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Sketchy Bob wrote:Am I the only one getting annoyed that the only times CSM members or DEV's post is to pat each others backs and tell the world how awesome the other team is?
How about some actual information or response to the legitimate critic in this thread? Please bear in mind that the CSM are bound by NDA on this. Until CCP releases information, we're not free to speak about it.
Then maybe work on getting that information released instead? Time is pretty damn critical here and wasn't that part of why the CSM even exists? To help get information to and from CCP?
I understand that there is a lot of transactions and so on to go through, but at the same time you (dev/cpp/csm, whomever) shouldn't need to go over them all to figure out if this was ok or not. Either it's ok or not, then you can find the affected parties. |
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Posted - 2014.08.19 16:47:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:Sketchy Bob wrote:Am I the only one getting annoyed that the only times CSM members or DEV's post is to pat each others backs and tell the world how awesome the other team is?
How about some actual information or response to the legitimate critic in this thread? Please bear in mind that the CSM are bound by NDA on this. Until CCP releases information, we're not free to speak about it. Which means all they can do is tell each other how awesome they are. Great isn't it Gÿ¦ You're damn right I'm going to give credit to a group of people who volunteer their time to assist us at times like this, and take time out of their family lives to be present in meetings that are called early morning or late evening sometimes with under an hour of notice. I'll give them all the encouragement I can to continue to support both CCP and the Community the way that they are. That's what they're elected to do, and I'd like the people who voted them in to know they're being fairly represented. If you don't like it, don't read it. Simple.
Is this the kind of attitude we can expect from the community manager going forward? Shouldn't the community manager at least to pretend to care about what the community thinks?
And I love how you opted to answer this among all the outstanding questions in this thread. You clearly have the communities best in mind.
Edit: The back pating post would be ok and well deserved. If there was any actual progress. |
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Posted - 2014.08.19 16:58:00 -
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Lauresh Thellere, we can make a new thread where we thank them for their time.
But this thread is to address the "Community Concerns Regarding SOMERblink". :) |
Sketchy Bob
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Posted - 2014.08.19 17:24:00 -
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So on a more serious note. Do we have any estimates on when we might get to hear useful? Falcon?
Has there been any progress internally? I am not asking for details (all though they would be nice to have). Are the meetings moving forward or are you guys stuck? |
Sketchy Bob
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Posted - 2014.08.19 18:01:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:Sketchy Bob wrote:Am I the only one getting annoyed that the only times CSM members or DEV's post is to pat each others backs and tell the world how awesome the other team is?
How about some actual information or response to the legitimate critic in this thread? Please bear in mind that the CSM are bound by NDA on this. Until CCP releases information, we're not free to speak about it. Which means all they can do is tell each other how awesome they are. Great isn't it Gÿ¦ You're damn right I'm going to give credit to a group of people who volunteer their time to assist us at times like this, and take time out of their family lives to be present in meetings that are called early morning or late evening sometimes with under an hour of notice. I'll give them all the encouragement I can to continue to support both CCP and the Community the way that they are. That's what they're elected to do, and I'd like the people who voted them in to know they're being fairly represented. If you don't like it, don't read it. Simple. That was CCP talk for **** off , trolls 
No thats CCP talk for "look over here while we try to spin this ****". |
Sketchy Bob
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Posted - 2014.08.19 18:19:00 -
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virm pasuul wrote:Guttripper wrote:Tippia wrote:NFain wrote: However I would like to point out that it was made very clear roughly a year ago when this same very thing was ruled to stop. Definitely, which is why the current situation is so baffling. Unless Somer is kicking back some profits within CCP...? I strongly advise you don't start throwing mud for fun. There's enough broo-ha already without starting wild new rumours.
CCP could easily stop a lot of the rumors by saying something. But we have yet to hear anything. |
Sketchy Bob
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Posted - 2014.08.19 18:34:00 -
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virm pasuul wrote:Sketchy Bob wrote:
CCP could easily stop a lot of the rumors by saying something. But we have yet to hear anything.
They have said a ton. They have let us know they are looking into it, and they have kept us informed. Within a few hours they will update us. Short of doing it all in front of a webcam there's not much more they could do to communicate. Just let them sort it out, and they will tell us when they are ready. Your statement could not have been more wrong.
They have told us 2 things. That they are looking into it and "we had a meeting and we are now going to lunch". That is not keeping us up to date with any relevant information.
Do they see it as RMT? Was CCP's sales or legal team involved (in giving somer approval, not getting payed off that is too much tinfoilery)? They should not need to have meetings for days to figure those 2 out. |
Sketchy Bob
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Posted - 2014.08.19 19:12:00 -
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Asuri Kinnes wrote:Sketchy Bob wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:If you don't like it, don't read it. Simple. Is this the kind of attitude we can expect from the community manager going forward? Shouldn't the community manager at least to pretend to care about what the community thinks? And I love how you opted to answer this among all the outstanding questions in this thread. You clearly have the communities best in mind. Edit: The back pating post would be ok and well deserved. If there was any actual progress. I hope so - it would be a return to days of old when the Dev's told the whiny brats off every once in awhile. I salute our non-**** taking overlords.
Oh yes, customers should just shut up and pay their salary. Thank you for your input. |
Sketchy Bob
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Posted - 2014.08.19 19:20:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Sketchy Bob wrote:Oh yes, customers should just shut up and pay their salary. Thank you for your input. Customers like you probably should.
Great input. |
Sketchy Bob
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Posted - 2014.08.19 19:26:00 -
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Asuri Kinnes wrote:Sketchy Bob wrote:Oh yes, customers should just shut up and pay their salary. Thank you for your input. Yeah, sometimes the customer *isn't* right. Sometimes the customer is a whiny, entitled brat and needs to be told to stfu for awhile. Every once in awhile (as with Dinsdale's whining) it's a good idea to prune the tree of entitlement.
Never said the customer was right. I was stating that I don't agree that Falcons focus should be in patting CSM's back rather than focusing on figuring this somers bs out and Falcon came with attitude that isn't really fitting a community manager. |
Sketchy Bob
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Posted - 2014.08.19 19:53:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Asuri Kinnes wrote:Sketchy Bob wrote:I was stating that I don't agree that Falcons focus should be in patting CSM's back rather than focusing on figuring this somers bs out and Falcon came with attitude that isn't really fitting a community manager. He's doing what he can within the NDA and you and I disagree on what his "attitude" should be. I think he's fine. Agreed I'd much rather see CCP's community representatives telling it how it is than feeding us a load of crap from some derp, who has probably never played Eve, in marketing/PR.
I think you guys may have misread what I wrote. How would it be against some NDA for him and CSM to focus on having these meetings/talks that they need to have, rather than sitting here and making back patting posts?
I am all for Falcon being the one delivering the information rather than some marketing/PR people. What I was saying was trying (obviously poorly) to say was that they should focus on getting that information and/or coming to a conclusion about if they see it as RMT or not.
Once that has been done then please go wild with the back patting thank you posts. The work has to be done before credit and appraisal (is that even the right word?) can be given.
Ps. While CSM does a great job, they also knew what they were getting into. These kind of emergencies is nothing new in EVE or with CCP. They would not have gotten into if they didn't like the excitement and occasional stress elements like this. :) |
Sketchy Bob
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Posted - 2014.08.19 20:04:00 -
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Not much, but it is very good to hear that it's moving forward and get a rough estimate on when we might hear something. Thank you Falcon.
Jake Rivers, As people have said, the code would have had to be redeemed for it to become a plex. I believe the codes come with a "not for resell" sticker/notice and that would have been to big of a nono and set of the alarms much sooner. The RMT issue is right on the line if it's ok or not and I was easier to try and keep under the radar. |
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